1 00:00:22,250 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:25,410 roll up roll up roll up folks if you 3 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:27,369 worried about pseudoscience if you're 4 00:00:30,420 --> 00:00:28,510 wondering what that thing in the sky is 5 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:30,430 you've come to the right place it's the 6 00:00:34,410 --> 00:00:32,650 skeptic zone as pattern science week 7 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:34,420 here in Sydney New South Wales at the 8 00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:36,129 Australian Museum and it's over to 9 00:00:42,689 --> 00:00:40,510 Richard's like Saunders Richard Soyka 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:42,699 Saunders after we have Stefan's like 11 00:00:46,290 --> 00:00:44,290 ribbon not every once in a while you 12 00:00:48,780 --> 00:00:46,300 know he's in cycle our co-host to our 13 00:00:50,579 --> 00:00:48,790 who isn't here you'll hear he co-hosted 14 00:00:52,110 --> 00:00:50,589 last week of course the live show wasn't 15 00:00:53,460 --> 00:00:52,120 that fun that was great and thanks to 16 00:00:55,229 --> 00:00:53,470 everybody who had things to say about 17 00:00:57,750 --> 00:00:55,239 that and to the people who wrote it 18 00:01:01,590 --> 00:00:57,760 about my performance to you I say 19 00:01:03,420 --> 00:01:01,600 exactly right I mean I tan I are here at 20 00:01:04,859 --> 00:01:03,430 the little theatre edit the Australian 21 00:01:06,510 --> 00:01:04,869 Museum because we're doing the mystery 22 00:01:08,580 --> 00:01:06,520 investigators as part of science week 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:08,590 before us we have the double trestle 24 00:01:15,090 --> 00:01:11,650 table with the water dividing things set 25 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:15,100 up and hear us finding rods ready to go 26 00:01:18,030 --> 00:01:16,570 for later in the show we did two shows 27 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:18,040 and there was an interesting show 28 00:01:22,380 --> 00:01:19,810 yesterday where we had I think year 12 29 00:01:23,580 --> 00:01:22,390 and we had infants kids all in the one 30 00:01:25,590 --> 00:01:23,590 audience it was quite a wide range 31 00:01:27,749 --> 00:01:25,600 should work too it was all the author 32 00:01:29,099 --> 00:01:27,759 all the younger kids were screaming and 33 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:29,109 yelling out and all the older kids were 34 00:01:32,490 --> 00:01:30,490 quite reserved at the back of the room 35 00:01:34,830 --> 00:01:32,500 now trying to look cool until you went 36 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:34,840 up and did some spoon bending and then 37 00:01:38,249 --> 00:01:36,490 they weren't worth they weren't work 38 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:38,259 that is what they said they said were 39 00:01:44,789 --> 00:01:40,810 they didn't anyway welcome to the 40 00:01:46,739 --> 00:01:44,799 skeptic zone episode number 356 I think 41 00:01:48,450 --> 00:01:46,749 it is for the whatever-it-is of August 42 00:01:49,950 --> 00:01:48,460 out we're setting up the mystery 43 00:01:51,450 --> 00:01:49,960 investigators show so we're a bit of 44 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:51,460 scatterbrained at the moment coming up 45 00:01:54,989 --> 00:01:52,630 on this week's show may not we're going 46 00:01:57,660 --> 00:01:54,999 to be here at the Museum interviewing 47 00:01:59,309 --> 00:01:57,670 scientists at signs week that's right I 48 00:02:01,289 --> 00:01:59,319 went around the science fair speaking to 49 00:02:03,539 --> 00:02:01,299 a whole bunch of people about very diff 50 00:02:06,300 --> 00:02:03,549 very different scientific disciplines I 51 00:02:08,969 --> 00:02:06,310 spoke to physicists botanists marine 52 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:08,979 biologists who wasn't Fred Costanza that 53 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:11,260 was a throg lady band and the frog leg 54 00:02:15,180 --> 00:02:13,090 doctor Jodi will be talking to her about 55 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:15,190 what is the go what's the big word on 56 00:02:19,110 --> 00:02:16,690 frogs in Australia and around the world 57 00:02:23,070 --> 00:02:19,120 right now what is the big word ribbit 58 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:23,080 ribbit eiii why yeah a device ever look 59 00:02:26,490 --> 00:02:25,030 look across the breaking news about Miss 60 00:02:28,020 --> 00:02:26,500 Piggy and Kermit breaking up I mean 61 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:28,030 that's all so big in the frog world as 62 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:30,370 well as we can in Pig weekly to it is 63 00:02:33,780 --> 00:02:31,090 indeed 64 00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:33,790 and it's amazing because everyone would 65 00:02:38,309 --> 00:02:36,640 one F word keeps coming up with all the 66 00:02:41,430 --> 00:02:38,319 scientists I've spoken to today and that 67 00:02:43,020 --> 00:02:41,440 word would be funding funding is a word 68 00:02:44,610 --> 00:02:43,030 that keeps coming up in Australia and I 69 00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:44,620 imagined around the world because of the 70 00:02:48,780 --> 00:02:46,870 economic crisis at various places 71 00:02:50,729 --> 00:02:48,790 funding is a bit harder to get than 72 00:02:52,650 --> 00:02:50,739 usual and a lot of people are going all 73 00:02:55,259 --> 00:02:52,660 really all that time at University and 74 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:55,269 now you're saying funding find your 75 00:02:59,309 --> 00:02:56,530 local scientists folks that's the 76 00:03:00,960 --> 00:02:59,319 message and coming up also on this week 77 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:00,970 skeptic zone we can be chatting to Susan 78 00:03:04,650 --> 00:03:03,250 Kovac from guerrilla skepticism now 79 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:04,660 Susan someone you don't want to get off 80 00:03:07,259 --> 00:03:06,130 side because you won't believe what if 81 00:03:08,910 --> 00:03:07,269 she doesn't like you you don't believe 82 00:03:11,250 --> 00:03:08,920 what photo she puts up on your wiki page 83 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:11,260 you won't believe that it or may not so 84 00:03:14,039 --> 00:03:12,730 yes as we say we're setting up for the 85 00:03:15,569 --> 00:03:14,049 mystery investigators show we're going 86 00:03:17,729 --> 00:03:15,579 to be looking at optical illusions we've 87 00:03:20,940 --> 00:03:17,739 got a bed of nails we do water divining 88 00:03:22,710 --> 00:03:20,950 you play the trombone on my back while 89 00:03:24,839 --> 00:03:22,720 I'm lying on the bed of nails which is 90 00:03:26,490 --> 00:03:24,849 something to be seen that's right i'm 91 00:03:28,050 --> 00:03:26,500 inspired a bit by Penn & Teller there I 92 00:03:29,130 --> 00:03:28,060 thought look if you've got to stand on 93 00:03:31,170 --> 00:03:29,140 someone's back while they're on the bed 94 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:31,180 of nails why not play a trombone while 95 00:03:33,930 --> 00:03:32,410 you're doing it we're going to be having 96 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:33,940 some highlights later in the show about 97 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:36,209 you doing exactly that journey mr. 98 00:03:40,949 --> 00:03:38,260 investigators highlights that's a new 99 00:03:43,229 --> 00:03:40,959 word for it that's a new word for it so 100 00:03:45,509 --> 00:03:43,239 it's um Richard Saunders and main out 101 00:03:46,979 --> 00:03:45,519 here bringing science to school students 102 00:03:48,870 --> 00:03:46,989 here at the Australian Museum we do it 103 00:03:50,849 --> 00:03:48,880 as often as we can it's a lot of fun 104 00:03:53,250 --> 00:03:50,859 well I'm going to run downstairs right 105 00:03:54,569 --> 00:03:53,260 now get into the Godzilla costume go out 106 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:54,579 into william street and see if I can 107 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:55,930 scare some money out up some Japanese 108 00:04:00,150 --> 00:03:58,450 tourists hey that's my stick isn't it 109 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:00,160 running down so well I'm going to run 110 00:04:03,210 --> 00:04:02,049 down here and dan your own stairs I'm 111 00:04:04,650 --> 00:04:03,220 gonna run down my own stairs i'm going 112 00:04:07,530 --> 00:04:04,660 to go down the street and get some more 113 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:07,540 Minty's for the show well always the 114 00:04:11,610 --> 00:04:09,970 popular 'used always a populist while 115 00:04:34,379 --> 00:04:11,620 we're doing all that we hope you enjoy 116 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:37,570 joining me now all the way from Salinas 117 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:40,370 in California which is not far from San 118 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:42,410 Francisco but quite close to Monterey 119 00:04:47,770 --> 00:04:45,110 you can look it up on your google maps 120 00:04:49,060 --> 00:04:47,780 if you want to and it's somebody a good 121 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:49,070 friend of the skeptics own somebody I 122 00:04:53,620 --> 00:04:51,410 only saw a couple of weeks ago at the 123 00:04:57,580 --> 00:04:53,630 amazing meeting its Susan Grbac hello 124 00:04:59,290 --> 00:04:57,590 Susan hi Richard hello and it's nice to 125 00:05:01,780 --> 00:04:59,300 see you for the benefit of Allison as we 126 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:01,790 are skyping away so I can see your 127 00:05:07,900 --> 00:05:04,310 smiling face I can wearing one of my 128 00:05:09,730 --> 00:05:07,910 origami earrings a dinosaur so I see 129 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:09,740 thank you very much and they suit you 130 00:05:14,860 --> 00:05:12,650 very well I think all right now we are 131 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:14,870 catching up with you today because 132 00:05:18,939 --> 00:05:17,090 you're going to fill us in on the latest 133 00:05:21,310 --> 00:05:18,949 goings-on there with the guerrilla 134 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:21,320 skepticism and a bit later on in the 135 00:05:24,430 --> 00:05:22,610 interview we can chat about your 136 00:05:28,659 --> 00:05:24,440 upcoming trip to Australia which is very 137 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:28,669 exciting you have been concentrating of 138 00:05:33,159 --> 00:05:31,130 late on an issue which is close to the 139 00:05:35,740 --> 00:05:33,169 heart of the skeptic zone and of course 140 00:05:38,110 --> 00:05:35,750 dr. Rachel goes to her heart and of 141 00:05:39,969 --> 00:05:38,120 course Joe alabasta mentions it to and 142 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:39,979 Heidi Robinson of course talks about it 143 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:42,710 to its vaccinations vaccinations Susan 144 00:05:48,430 --> 00:05:44,770 can you tell me what have you been up to 145 00:05:52,450 --> 00:05:48,440 well starting about March of this last 146 00:05:54,909 --> 00:05:52,460 year 2015 the gso w project decided it 147 00:05:58,540 --> 00:05:54,919 would kind of focus all of our efforts 148 00:06:03,040 --> 00:05:58,550 on working on a theme and we decided 149 00:06:04,659 --> 00:06:03,050 that we would pick vaccinations so we 150 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:04,669 did we've been we were going to 151 00:06:07,810 --> 00:06:06,650 concentrate on it for six months six 152 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:07,820 months it was supposed to go from 153 00:06:12,310 --> 00:06:10,130 februari to july but it took us a while 154 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:12,320 to get started so we started about March 155 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:16,490 and we just finished off our main focus 156 00:06:21,670 --> 00:06:19,639 of vaccinations what does that entail so 157 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:21,680 you're concentrating on vaccinations 158 00:06:25,779 --> 00:06:24,110 which is great what does that mean in a 159 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:25,789 practical sense and where can people go 160 00:06:30,219 --> 00:06:28,010 and actually see the differences you've 161 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:30,229 made well that's a really great question 162 00:06:36,460 --> 00:06:32,210 we did not work 163 00:06:40,529 --> 00:06:36,470 on the Wikipedia pages that are vax a 164 00:06:43,350 --> 00:06:40,539 vaccination medical you know like the 165 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:43,360 chemical compound of certain 166 00:06:47,710 --> 00:06:45,410 vaccinations or anything like that what 167 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:47,720 we were focusing on are the people 168 00:06:53,950 --> 00:06:51,050 associated around vaccinations and the 169 00:06:56,409 --> 00:06:53,960 groups so that when when people are in 170 00:06:58,300 --> 00:06:56,419 the news talking about vaccinations and 171 00:07:00,969 --> 00:06:58,310 why it's important to vaccinate and so 172 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:00,979 on we have their backs so when the media 173 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:03,770 interview someone they have more 174 00:07:07,870 --> 00:07:06,110 notability more more respectability 175 00:07:09,730 --> 00:07:07,880 because they can look at the Wikipedia 176 00:07:10,719 --> 00:07:09,740 page and that's what the public is going 177 00:07:12,909 --> 00:07:10,729 to do is they're going to look at the 178 00:07:15,580 --> 00:07:12,919 Wikipedia page and find out more 179 00:07:19,810 --> 00:07:15,590 information about people that so for 180 00:07:22,060 --> 00:07:19,820 example doctor doctor rachy is one of 181 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:22,070 the people that we had built a Wikipedia 182 00:07:27,219 --> 00:07:24,889 page for so that when she is in the 183 00:07:29,529 --> 00:07:27,229 media's I speaking about vaccinations or 184 00:07:31,510 --> 00:07:29,539 whatever she is speaking about people 185 00:07:33,070 --> 00:07:31,520 will google her they'll say who's this 186 00:07:35,379 --> 00:07:33,080 person you know what is this person's 187 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:35,389 qualifications and why should I respect 188 00:07:39,790 --> 00:07:37,340 her opinion about anything that she does 189 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:39,800 they'll be able to google her more 190 00:07:44,499 --> 00:07:41,990 likely they will get her Wikipedia page 191 00:07:47,499 --> 00:07:44,509 and on that Wikipedia page they will 192 00:07:51,339 --> 00:07:47,509 find quite good citations a well-written 193 00:07:53,170 --> 00:07:51,349 article photos maybe some audio of her 194 00:07:54,700 --> 00:07:53,180 voice and they'll be able to find out 195 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:54,710 what her qualifications are they'll be 196 00:07:58,270 --> 00:07:56,449 able to look at what her work is her 197 00:08:00,969 --> 00:07:58,280 body of work they'll be able to see what 198 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:00,979 her expertise is and not only dr. rachy 199 00:08:06,999 --> 00:08:04,250 but we we have worked on many pages the 200 00:08:08,709 --> 00:08:07,009 people who are speaking out about the 201 00:08:12,870 --> 00:08:08,719 importance of vaccinations like mark 202 00:08:16,089 --> 00:08:12,880 Crispin who has the quack cast podcast 203 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:16,099 Steven novella we had rewritten his 204 00:08:20,830 --> 00:08:18,530 Wikipedia page in English and we've also 205 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:20,840 translated it into Portuguese and Dutch 206 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:25,370 and other people like wendy sue Swanson 207 00:08:32,949 --> 00:08:29,690 who is a is better known as the Seattle 208 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:32,959 mama doc and she's an educator and a 209 00:08:38,290 --> 00:08:35,649 pediatrician who really advocates that 210 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:38,300 the medical profession should be on 211 00:08:44,290 --> 00:08:40,490 social media trying to help educate in 212 00:08:46,090 --> 00:08:44,300 trying to get them on facebook and blogs 213 00:08:47,620 --> 00:08:46,100 and doing things online using 214 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:47,630 social media that they're trying to 215 00:08:51,850 --> 00:08:50,540 that's what she advocates so those are 216 00:08:58,059 --> 00:08:51,860 some of the people that we've worked on 217 00:09:01,240 --> 00:08:58,069 that are in our community people who are 218 00:09:04,749 --> 00:09:01,250 also scientist like Leandra off who has 219 00:09:06,670 --> 00:09:04,759 now passed on but he was a very 220 00:09:08,319 --> 00:09:06,680 important part of the skeptical 221 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:08,329 organization for many years he was an 222 00:09:14,410 --> 00:09:10,850 editor of the science magazine discover 223 00:09:17,949 --> 00:09:14,420 he's also a co-founder of CSI COP sigh 224 00:09:19,870 --> 00:09:17,959 cop brian dear who was a Wikipedia page 225 00:09:21,970 --> 00:09:19,880 we had to rewrite because it was in 226 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:21,980 horrible shape you might remember Brian 227 00:09:28,319 --> 00:09:24,910 deer was the person who exposed 228 00:09:30,430 --> 00:09:28,329 wakefield andrew wakefield and the 229 00:09:34,620 --> 00:09:30,440 autism link that he was trying to 230 00:09:38,199 --> 00:09:34,630 establish was related to vaccinations so 231 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:38,209 by beefing up Brian dears Wikipedia page 232 00:09:44,499 --> 00:09:42,110 that shows that he's a noteworthy person 233 00:09:46,059 --> 00:09:44,509 he's a respectable person and we're not 234 00:09:49,569 --> 00:09:46,069 making anything up these are all 235 00:09:52,059 --> 00:09:49,579 legitimate citations but basically what 236 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:52,069 gso w is trying to say is we've got your 237 00:09:56,350 --> 00:09:54,560 back that's very good and you're just 238 00:10:00,850 --> 00:09:56,360 mentioning to me before we went on air 239 00:10:02,710 --> 00:10:00,860 actually that you were responsible that 240 00:10:05,710 --> 00:10:02,720 the guerrilla skepticism is responsible 241 00:10:09,220 --> 00:10:05,720 for the Northern Rivers vaccination 242 00:10:12,460 --> 00:10:09,230 supporters Wikipedia entry right I'm 243 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:12,470 avid listener to the skeptic zone myself 244 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:14,569 it's I never miss an episode sometimes I 245 00:10:18,610 --> 00:10:16,850 do run a little behind I always 246 00:10:20,410 --> 00:10:18,620 listening to the skeptic zoning you guys 247 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:20,420 have been doing such wonderful work 248 00:10:24,490 --> 00:10:22,490 keeping everybody educated about 249 00:10:25,870 --> 00:10:24,500 homeopathy and vaccinations that was 250 00:10:27,850 --> 00:10:25,880 part of the reason why we chose 251 00:10:29,379 --> 00:10:27,860 vaccinations because it's so in the news 252 00:10:32,379 --> 00:10:29,389 and we could see there was so much going 253 00:10:35,079 --> 00:10:32,389 on but the Northern Rivers vaccination 254 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:35,089 supporters were on the skeptic zone so 255 00:10:39,699 --> 00:10:37,250 often that I felt like I knew the people 256 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:39,709 and they were doing such wonderful work 257 00:10:43,870 --> 00:10:41,810 I wanted to see if it was possible to 258 00:10:46,749 --> 00:10:43,880 write them a Wikipedia page because 259 00:10:48,550 --> 00:10:46,759 there's a criteria you can't just write 260 00:10:51,129 --> 00:10:48,560 a Wikipedia page for anybody because 261 00:10:53,439 --> 00:10:51,139 anybody would have a Wikipedia page so 262 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:53,449 there's a level of criteria that they 263 00:10:57,850 --> 00:10:55,730 have to meet and because they were often 264 00:10:58,940 --> 00:10:57,860 in the news and being interviewed for 265 00:11:01,910 --> 00:10:58,950 different 266 00:11:03,860 --> 00:11:01,920 news stations and things like that I was 267 00:11:05,570 --> 00:11:03,870 able to say you know I think they're 268 00:11:07,250 --> 00:11:05,580 ready to have a page even though they're 269 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:07,260 brand new they've just been doing a 270 00:11:12,530 --> 00:11:09,630 phenomenal job eating themselves in the 271 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:12,540 media's I and one of my editor is James 272 00:11:17,870 --> 00:11:15,570 Williams who lives in the UK wrote the 273 00:11:19,550 --> 00:11:17,880 wikipedia page for the Northern Rivers 274 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:19,560 vaccination supporters and we were able 275 00:11:24,950 --> 00:11:22,110 to launch it and surprise everybody at 276 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:24,960 the Brisbane skeptic camp that was so 277 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:26,970 exciting because they did not know this 278 00:11:32,870 --> 00:11:30,810 page was going to be created and i 279 00:11:35,300 --> 00:11:32,880 believe it is Heidi Heidi was she in the 280 00:11:39,170 --> 00:11:35,310 audience Heidi is yeah she was at the 281 00:11:43,310 --> 00:11:39,180 audience and if somebody was filming her 282 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:43,320 as it popped up on the screen myself and 283 00:11:50,540 --> 00:11:47,370 James Williams on a remote remote video 284 00:11:52,340 --> 00:11:50,550 that we sent him saying hey you know 285 00:11:54,170 --> 00:11:52,350 there's this Wikipedia there's this 286 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:54,180 group and all stretched in this really 287 00:11:58,190 --> 00:11:56,160 great job and we just we just wrote him 288 00:12:02,330 --> 00:11:58,200 a Wikipedia page and she was just like 289 00:12:04,420 --> 00:12:02,340 her jaw drop she was totally shocked she 290 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:04,430 was she said she wrote me an email or a 291 00:12:08,780 --> 00:12:06,690 message later she says it took about an 292 00:12:13,130 --> 00:12:08,790 hour to soak in what actually happened 293 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:13,140 to us we was pretty fun they know it so 294 00:12:17,270 --> 00:12:14,970 nicely that you're able to do that for 295 00:12:19,790 --> 00:12:17,280 some someone like Heidi and her group 296 00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:19,800 who are so worthy of the attention and 297 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:21,600 the attention of course is it's very 298 00:12:24,950 --> 00:12:23,100 flattering but it serves a very useful 299 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:24,960 purpose because people looking up 300 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:27,090 information will find the Northern 301 00:12:31,190 --> 00:12:28,770 Rivers vaccination supporters and people 302 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:31,200 like that but it's not only people on 303 00:12:37,940 --> 00:12:32,970 our side of the fence we might say that 304 00:12:41,270 --> 00:12:37,950 you be interested in tell me about some 305 00:12:44,210 --> 00:12:41,280 of the the other people the the the 306 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:44,220 counter-argument we might say mm-hmm and 307 00:12:50,930 --> 00:12:48,930 another the yes and also because I 308 00:12:53,980 --> 00:12:50,940 listened to the skeptic zone I heard a 309 00:12:59,780 --> 00:12:53,990 lot about what was going on with this 310 00:13:03,200 --> 00:12:59,790 Australian tour by anti-vaxxers sherry 311 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:03,210 Tenpenny and us Americans would like to 312 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:05,760 apologize to the Australians in a way 313 00:13:12,290 --> 00:13:08,970 for sending her to to you 314 00:13:15,439 --> 00:13:12,300 but yeah it's important for people to 315 00:13:18,860 --> 00:13:15,449 get the information on the opposite side 316 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:18,870 as well so we updated the sherry 317 00:13:23,990 --> 00:13:21,360 Tenpenny wikipedia page which was a very 318 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:24,000 small page but we were able to update it 319 00:13:28,699 --> 00:13:26,610 with her views on anti vax and her 320 00:13:33,949 --> 00:13:28,709 credentials which are I believe she's an 321 00:13:35,329 --> 00:13:33,959 osteopath and her her schooling I can't 322 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:35,339 even remember if she had any schooling 323 00:13:39,050 --> 00:13:37,769 or not off the top of my head because 324 00:13:42,740 --> 00:13:39,060 it's been many months since I've written 325 00:13:44,809 --> 00:13:42,750 that page but we were able to update it 326 00:13:46,699 --> 00:13:44,819 so that people would know who we were 327 00:13:48,949 --> 00:13:46,709 talking about what was going on so when 328 00:13:50,689 --> 00:13:48,959 the again when the media would look at 329 00:13:52,850 --> 00:13:50,699 it and say who is this sherry Tenpenny 330 00:13:54,379 --> 00:13:52,860 person they'd be able to go and they had 331 00:13:56,420 --> 00:13:54,389 a place to go to besides their own 332 00:14:01,579 --> 00:13:56,430 website and it would have really good 333 00:14:03,199 --> 00:14:01,589 information we also just because when 334 00:14:04,999 --> 00:14:03,209 you're working on one page it's kind of 335 00:14:07,220 --> 00:14:05,009 a lot easier to work on other pages as 336 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:07,230 well you've already got all the links 337 00:14:13,699 --> 00:14:09,889 open so I wrote a Wikipedia page for 338 00:14:17,119 --> 00:14:13,709 melodies marvelous measles and that's a 339 00:14:20,019 --> 00:14:17,129 book that sherry Jen Penny's friend 340 00:14:23,420 --> 00:14:20,029 stephanie messenger wrote and it's 341 00:14:25,460 --> 00:14:23,430 supposably for children to embrace the 342 00:14:27,470 --> 00:14:25,470 measles to actually go get the measles 343 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:27,480 from their friends and and it'll make 344 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:30,180 you healthy and you eat carrots and get 345 00:14:34,999 --> 00:14:32,610 lots of sunshine and you'll be healthy 346 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:35,009 so I wanted to make sure that that book 347 00:14:39,769 --> 00:14:37,649 had a great Wikipedia page and it does 348 00:14:43,309 --> 00:14:39,779 one of the things I learned while 349 00:14:47,710 --> 00:14:43,319 writing it is that it was very similar 350 00:14:52,309 --> 00:14:47,720 to a book written by a famous author 351 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:52,319 Roald Dahl had written a book many years 352 00:15:00,799 --> 00:14:57,360 ago and it had a lot of similarities in 353 00:15:02,990 --> 00:15:00,809 the title name as the melodies marvelous 354 00:15:05,509 --> 00:15:03,000 measles which was George's marvelous 355 00:15:06,889 --> 00:15:05,519 medicine yeah and another thing that 356 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:06,899 most people didn't know and I surely 357 00:15:14,449 --> 00:15:11,250 didn't know is that Roland doll was a 358 00:15:16,939 --> 00:15:14,459 strong advocate of vaccinations because 359 00:15:19,579 --> 00:15:16,949 his daughter Olivia died from the 360 00:15:22,610 --> 00:15:19,589 measles in 1962 and he wrote about her 361 00:15:25,790 --> 00:15:22,620 death and how horrible it was 362 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:25,800 and how she there was some a measles 363 00:15:30,830 --> 00:15:27,690 outbreak in his town he was able to get 364 00:15:32,930 --> 00:15:30,840 a hold of a vaccination pretty much only 365 00:15:35,390 --> 00:15:32,940 one and he gave it to his son who was 366 00:15:37,820 --> 00:15:35,400 much younger and they thought that the 367 00:15:41,060 --> 00:15:37,830 daughter Olivia would probably be okay 368 00:15:44,750 --> 00:15:41,070 because she was older and robust and she 369 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:44,760 ended up dying so it was very sad he 370 00:15:52,130 --> 00:15:46,890 didn't live to see the melodies 371 00:15:53,780 --> 00:15:52,140 marvelous measles book but he had 372 00:15:55,190 --> 00:15:53,790 written quite a bit about this kind of 373 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:55,200 thing and I found it just reprehensible 374 00:16:00,680 --> 00:15:58,050 that this woman stephanie messenger 375 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:00,690 would write a book about embracing the 376 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:03,630 measles and she made the book sound the 377 00:16:08,450 --> 00:16:06,450 title sounds so similar to his book so 378 00:16:12,830 --> 00:16:08,460 that was one of the things we wrote 379 00:16:15,170 --> 00:16:12,840 another book I another wikipedia page I 380 00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:15,180 wrote was for Stephanie messenger who is 381 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:18,030 the author of melodies marvelous measles 382 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:20,310 the reason why I did that is because I 383 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:22,110 wanted people to be able to understand 384 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:24,890 where she was getting her information 385 00:16:31,610 --> 00:16:29,210 why she was so anti vax what was her 386 00:16:35,770 --> 00:16:31,620 from as close as we could find out what 387 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:35,780 is her mindset why is she so rabid about 388 00:16:42,260 --> 00:16:40,410 this embracing the measles and so I 389 00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:42,270 think I made that fairly clear on the 390 00:16:47,390 --> 00:16:43,920 wikipedia page if you look at Stephanie 391 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:47,400 messengers Wikipedia page you'll be its 392 00:16:54,260 --> 00:16:50,220 kind of eye-opening and she is she does 393 00:16:55,490 --> 00:16:54,270 live in brisbane australia and she was 394 00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:55,500 the person who was responsible for 395 00:17:00,590 --> 00:16:58,110 trying to bring sherry tenpin no yeah 396 00:17:03,980 --> 00:17:00,600 sherry Tenpenny to on a tour of 397 00:17:06,890 --> 00:17:03,990 Australia so it all comes around you 398 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:06,900 know the skeptics and listeners may well 399 00:17:11,420 --> 00:17:09,450 recall there was a big campaign on 400 00:17:13,460 --> 00:17:11,430 social media to stop this ridiculous 401 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:13,470 tour going ahead and we were successful 402 00:17:18,110 --> 00:17:16,050 we actually stopped this ridiculous tour 403 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:18,120 going ahead which was a great thing for 404 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:20,490 our side and a huge win for the children 405 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:23,310 of Australia of course but you mentioned 406 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:24,930 Brisbane a couple of times now you've 407 00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:26,370 mentioned Brisbane a couple times let's 408 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:28,260 talk now briefly about the fact that you 409 00:17:34,850 --> 00:17:31,530 will be here in Australia well not not 410 00:17:36,450 --> 00:17:34,860 so far away heading for of course the 411 00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:36,460 Australian skeptics national can 412 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:38,260 engine in Brisbane which is for the 413 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:39,670 benefit of those people who may not know 414 00:17:45,210 --> 00:17:42,910 or remember it's October the sixteenth 415 00:17:49,340 --> 00:17:45,220 to the eighteenth and more information 416 00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:49,350 is at convention Brisbane skeptics org 417 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:52,480 Susan we can't wait to see you what what 418 00:17:57,690 --> 00:17:54,610 will you be doing in Australia apart 419 00:18:00,060 --> 00:17:57,700 from appearing at the convention I will 420 00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:00,070 be taking a lot of photographs and doing 421 00:18:06,540 --> 00:18:03,160 lots of interviews and lots of I'm there 422 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:06,550 as a skeptic to meet the people of 423 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:07,930 Australia that I haven't already met 424 00:18:11,820 --> 00:18:09,970 that have come to the United States is 425 00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:11,830 my first trip there I am super excited 426 00:18:17,340 --> 00:18:14,310 I'm going to be flying into Melbourne 427 00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:17,350 and I will be speaking at a couple 428 00:18:23,010 --> 00:18:21,280 different places in that area and I'm 429 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:23,020 sure the dates will probably change a 430 00:18:27,420 --> 00:18:24,550 little bit so if people kind of want to 431 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:27,430 just keep their ears open but I'm going 432 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:30,160 to be in Ballarat which I'm really 433 00:18:35,580 --> 00:18:32,050 exciting decided to go to because I 434 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:35,590 remember that ballarat from a Sherlock 435 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:37,810 Holmes story that I'm a big Sherlock 436 00:18:42,810 --> 00:18:41,290 Holmes fan so yeah there was a story 437 00:18:45,210 --> 00:18:42,820 with somebody who came from Ballarat 438 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:45,220 because a part of the plot actually a 439 00:18:49,980 --> 00:18:47,050 part of the part of the way they solved 440 00:18:51,870 --> 00:18:49,990 the mystery was a holler at I won't give 441 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:51,880 any more and another town i'm going to 442 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:53,650 be speaking in and i'm sure i'm going to 443 00:19:00,830 --> 00:18:56,170 mispronounce it it was it's a nearer 444 00:19:05,490 --> 00:19:00,840 Melbourne is called mordialloc mor dia 445 00:19:07,050 --> 00:19:05,500 llo see Modi Alec hello you guys Modi is 446 00:19:09,420 --> 00:19:07,060 gonna be laughing at me the whole real 447 00:19:10,980 --> 00:19:09,430 we are right and but it's delightful 448 00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:10,990 Modi Alex skeptics of course they do a 449 00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:12,760 wonderful job down there I've had the 450 00:19:16,170 --> 00:19:14,260 pleasure of going down to speak to the 451 00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:16,180 more d alec skeptics from time to time I 452 00:19:20,790 --> 00:19:18,880 you'll enjoy yourself immensely ballarat 453 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:20,800 very famous city of course very 454 00:19:25,530 --> 00:19:24,130 historical city in australia looks like 455 00:19:29,310 --> 00:19:25,540 you're going to be visiting quite a few 456 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:29,320 places yeah Canberra yeah um I'm also 457 00:19:34,860 --> 00:19:31,770 going to Melbourne I'm going to Sydney 458 00:19:37,620 --> 00:19:34,870 and I'm supposably going to be going to 459 00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:37,630 Tasmania to go over to see the skeptics 460 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:40,870 down there in some place it starts with 461 00:19:44,810 --> 00:19:42,610 an L that i know i would just totally 462 00:19:48,780 --> 00:19:44,820 embarrass myself by trying to say lop 463 00:19:50,290 --> 00:19:48,790 loxton lund system oh my goodness this 464 00:19:54,450 --> 00:19:50,300 is going to be horrible 465 00:19:58,420 --> 00:19:54,460 I'm from everybody speaks Spanish so I 466 00:20:02,470 --> 00:19:58,430 you know australian in English and 467 00:20:04,810 --> 00:20:02,480 Spanish are nothing alike so you know 468 00:20:08,740 --> 00:20:04,820 pardon me I do want to remind everybody 469 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:08,750 that before the skeptic conference there 470 00:20:13,150 --> 00:20:10,370 is going to be a skeptic camp in 471 00:20:16,450 --> 00:20:13,160 Brisbane and that is going to be I 472 00:20:18,550 --> 00:20:16,460 believe the hundred skeptic camp and I'm 473 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:18,560 super excited to be in svenska picking 474 00:20:23,530 --> 00:20:20,210 up and I want to be able to take photos 475 00:20:25,060 --> 00:20:23,540 and and be able to put the information 476 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:25,070 that I learned up on the wikipedia page 477 00:20:28,990 --> 00:20:27,110 for skeptic amp and then i'm heading 478 00:20:30,820 --> 00:20:29,000 over to hong kong and i'm going to be 479 00:20:32,980 --> 00:20:30,830 hosted by the hong kong skeptics wow 480 00:20:35,260 --> 00:20:32,990 yeah decided to be talking to them I 481 00:20:38,410 --> 00:20:35,270 have two lectures there and I'm going 482 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:38,420 into china and i'll be talking to a I 483 00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:41,210 believe a school but not about Wikipedia 484 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:44,480 I'm going to be talking about my using 485 00:20:50,010 --> 00:20:47,210 science and science-based medicine when 486 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:50,020 I had gone through all my cancer 487 00:20:54,610 --> 00:20:52,850 treatments so that should be very 488 00:20:56,530 --> 00:20:54,620 interesting in a talk I've never done 489 00:20:58,360 --> 00:20:56,540 before so I have a lot of work to do to 490 00:21:00,340 --> 00:20:58,370 start concentrating on that so if you're 491 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:00,350 in the Hong Kong area I will be there 492 00:21:08,250 --> 00:21:03,130 for a couple days this is all happening 493 00:21:10,330 --> 00:21:08,260 october first through october 25th 494 00:21:12,970 --> 00:21:10,340 you're going to be very busy now 495 00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:12,980 listeners can keep keep tuned into the 496 00:21:17,650 --> 00:21:15,500 skeptic zone as your details as the 497 00:21:20,410 --> 00:21:17,660 finer details of your tour come to light 498 00:21:22,420 --> 00:21:20,420 will let our listeners know where they 499 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:22,430 can see you around australia especially 500 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:24,710 in victoria it seems to me and also not 501 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:26,510 forgetting of course your appearance at 502 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,970 the National Convention the Australian 503 00:21:31,810 --> 00:21:30,320 skeptics National Convention we're going 504 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:31,820 to be chatting more about the National 505 00:21:36,010 --> 00:21:33,260 Convention in the in the in the coming 506 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:36,020 weeks of course so lots of opportunities 507 00:21:39,730 --> 00:21:38,270 to meet you Susan coming up and more 508 00:21:42,430 --> 00:21:39,740 importantly maybe hear you talk about 509 00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:42,440 guerrilla skepticism and what you're 510 00:21:46,330 --> 00:21:44,990 doing well Susan go back thank you for 511 00:21:48,580 --> 00:21:46,340 sparing some time for the skeptic zone 512 00:21:50,620 --> 00:21:48,590 yet again it was lovely to see you on 513 00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:50,630 skype but it's more lovely to see you in 514 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:53,600 person since thank you so much Richard 515 00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:55,850 and good luck with your endeavors and 516 00:22:02,110 --> 00:21:58,850 where can people go to learn more about 517 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:02,120 guerrilla skepticism you can write to us 518 00:22:07,330 --> 00:22:04,250 at the GS owt 519 00:22:09,850 --> 00:22:07,340 team @ gmail.com but we asked people to 520 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:09,860 go to our YouTube channel first and 521 00:22:14,350 --> 00:22:11,990 listen to the interviews from our 522 00:22:17,470 --> 00:22:14,360 editors who will tell you in their own 523 00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:17,480 words about what training is like what 524 00:22:24,550 --> 00:22:20,270 to expect how passionate they are about 525 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:24,560 this this project and so on we really 526 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:26,690 want people to come to our project with 527 00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:29,090 some background of what to expect and 528 00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:32,150 then probably write to us at GS o w team 529 00:22:37,810 --> 00:22:35,630 @ gmail.com okay and I'll add a link to 530 00:22:40,090 --> 00:22:37,820 your YouTube channel in the show notes 531 00:22:41,950 --> 00:22:40,100 for this episode so once again Susan go 532 00:22:45,060 --> 00:22:41,960 back great to see you and I look forward 533 00:22:47,710 --> 00:22:45,070 to seeing you in a couple of months 534 00:22:55,210 --> 00:22:47,720 thank you Richard I'm really looking 535 00:22:58,270 --> 00:22:55,220 forward to seeing all of you as well on 536 00:23:03,490 --> 00:22:58,280 minor calmed are you it's time for Tim 537 00:23:06,010 --> 00:23:03,500 ferguson's right of reply don't expect 538 00:23:08,740 --> 00:23:06,020 you know those people who are wearing 539 00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:08,750 the V for Vendetta masks anonymous 540 00:23:12,670 --> 00:23:10,880 anonymous they call themselves anonymous 541 00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:12,680 which really should be calling 542 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:16,310 themselves but they had to actually put 543 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:19,310 a label to it look anonymous people this 544 00:23:24,250 --> 00:23:21,650 is this is great good on you for 545 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:24,260 carrying on like a pack of 14 year olds 546 00:23:28,650 --> 00:23:25,970 in your bedroom who are having a little 547 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:28,660 tantrum about the things you don't like 548 00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:31,930 good on you for hacking good on you for 549 00:23:36,910 --> 00:23:34,580 downloading good on you for doing all 550 00:23:39,730 --> 00:23:36,920 the things that decent people regard as 551 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:39,740 you know mildly annoying a naughty the 552 00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,010 fact is if you are going to stand up if 553 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:45,200 you're going to protest put your own 554 00:23:49,270 --> 00:23:47,930 personal name on it otherwise shut up 555 00:23:52,660 --> 00:23:49,280 cuz nobody needs to worry about 556 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:52,670 something called anonymous it's not like 557 00:23:57,460 --> 00:23:54,890 you're Isis walking around a whole bunch 558 00:24:00,700 --> 00:23:57,470 of black masks you're just a bunch of 559 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:00,710 dweebs banding together hoping that 560 00:24:05,890 --> 00:24:03,050 wearing a v for vendetta mask is somehow 561 00:24:08,380 --> 00:24:05,900 threatening anybody a protester puts 562 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:08,390 their name on it otherwise they go back 563 00:24:13,180 --> 00:24:11,180 inside and do their homework that's Tim 564 00:24:17,050 --> 00:24:13,190 Ferguson's write a reply letting you 565 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:20,030 that said i think natalie portman's just 566 00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:30,930 wonderful don't expect too much welcome 567 00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:33,000 to a week in science from our IRS 568 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:34,980 bringing you the science you need to 569 00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:37,410 know humans might be smart have 570 00:24:41,330 --> 00:24:39,720 opposable thumbs and be able to talk but 571 00:24:43,790 --> 00:24:41,340 we've got nothing on the animal kingdom 572 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:43,800 let's wander into the world of weird and 573 00:24:54,770 --> 00:24:51,930 wacky wildlife the great expanses of the 574 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:54,780 Australian desert a dry and barren makes 575 00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:56,610 me thirsty just thinking about it but 576 00:25:01,820 --> 00:24:58,770 for the thorny devil a refreshing 577 00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:01,830 beverage is just a step away thorny 578 00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:03,710 Devils can drink through their feet 579 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:06,150 capillary action works to draw water 580 00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:08,370 along their skin two grooves on either 581 00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:11,310 side of their mouth to another spiky 582 00:25:17,030 --> 00:25:14,280 animal or is it the Australian giant 583 00:25:18,980 --> 00:25:17,040 cuttlefish is nature's shapeshifter not 584 00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:18,990 only do they change their color and 585 00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:21,660 texture but small mal cuddlefish will 586 00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:23,700 outwit their larger competitors by 587 00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,500 drawing in their tentacles to appear 588 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:27,360 feminine and get up close and personal 589 00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:29,970 with their lady loves right under the 590 00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:32,760 big guys noses well the cuttlefish so 591 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:34,500 from right under the big guys 592 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:38,730 chromatophores and the award for the 593 00:25:43,670 --> 00:25:41,250 ickiest self healing ability has to go 594 00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:43,680 to the green tree frog when they get 595 00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:45,540 debris lodged in their skin their 596 00:25:50,180 --> 00:25:47,700 bladder sends out a sort of finger to 597 00:25:52,670 --> 00:25:50,190 enclose the object draw it back into 598 00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:52,680 their bladder and then they just pee it 599 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:55,110 out we know about this freaky feature 600 00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:56,940 through a combination of science and 601 00:26:00,770 --> 00:25:59,340 luck researchers were finding the 602 00:26:02,330 --> 00:26:00,780 transmitters they had surgically 603 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:02,340 implanted on the rainforest floor 604 00:26:06,620 --> 00:26:05,010 wanting to find out more and thinking 605 00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:06,630 there may be a problem with the surgery 606 00:26:11,150 --> 00:26:09,000 process they took the project back to 607 00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:11,160 the lab and before long discovered the 608 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:13,620 bizarre bladders and if you haven't 609 00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:15,450 noticed all of these amazing animals 610 00:26:23,209 --> 00:26:18,900 call australia home and now for fast 611 00:26:25,979 --> 00:26:23,219 facts about researching wild animals 612 00:26:28,369 --> 00:26:25,989 population studies of nocturnal or shy 613 00:26:30,659 --> 00:26:28,379 animals can prove difficult so instead 614 00:26:33,899 --> 00:26:30,669 researchers can simply keep track of 615 00:26:35,729 --> 00:26:33,909 animal poo animal poo or scat as it's 616 00:26:38,299 --> 00:26:35,739 known in the scientific community can 617 00:26:41,219 --> 00:26:38,309 also be used to sample DNA and diets 618 00:26:43,409 --> 00:26:41,229 camera traps have revolutionized wild 619 00:26:46,109 --> 00:26:43,419 animal research these durable 620 00:26:48,329 --> 00:26:46,119 motion-activated cameras can give vital 621 00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,339 data about animal populations and 622 00:26:52,919 --> 00:26:50,559 behavior but sometimes the animals 623 00:26:55,259 --> 00:26:52,929 aren't so happy to see them chlorine 624 00:26:57,749 --> 00:26:55,269 biting or otherwise destroying the 625 00:27:00,089 --> 00:26:57,759 cameras that's it for this week in 626 00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:00,099 science for more information on animal 627 00:27:07,589 --> 00:27:03,179 superpowers go to the rirs website RI 628 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:07,599 aus org a you follow us on twitter at 629 00:27:12,719 --> 00:27:10,569 our iOS and like us on Facebook I'm 630 00:27:32,129 --> 00:27:12,729 Casey Harrigan and we'll catch you next 631 00:27:35,910 --> 00:27:32,139 week here's may not spooky action at the 632 00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:38,230 we here at science week and we're in the 633 00:27:42,190 --> 00:27:40,160 main big room where everyone's got their 634 00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,200 own little panels spruiking all areas of 635 00:27:46,750 --> 00:27:44,480 science we've got everybody from 636 00:27:49,150 --> 00:27:46,760 companies like 3m to government 637 00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:49,160 organizations to carbon emission people 638 00:27:53,140 --> 00:27:51,320 to robot people not people that are 639 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:53,150 robots people talking about robotics I 640 00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:54,530 think they are they could be robot 641 00:27:59,470 --> 00:27:55,760 people I don't know but let's go have a 642 00:28:01,240 --> 00:27:59,480 talk to people in the big room well it's 643 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:01,250 science week here at the Australian 644 00:28:03,940 --> 00:28:02,570 Museum and lots of things are going on 645 00:28:05,470 --> 00:28:03,950 here there's lots of kids looking at 646 00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:05,480 things poking and looking around and who 647 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:08,240 we got here so I'm Erin I'm from Sydney 648 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:10,370 Sea Life Aquarium now what are you 649 00:28:14,590 --> 00:28:11,810 showing people you got a few things he 650 00:28:16,030 --> 00:28:14,600 got a lot of a bit of dried coral and 651 00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,040 you've got a reptile over there what do 652 00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:17,840 you mean wow and with here so we have 653 00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:19,310 lots of different things on the sea left 654 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:20,870 side we've got ourselves lots of 655 00:28:25,090 --> 00:28:22,490 different corals will also go out three 656 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:25,100 different types of shark eggs so yes we 657 00:28:28,930 --> 00:28:26,450 have plenty of sharks to show around 658 00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:28,940 we've also got a lovely great Big Blue 659 00:28:32,530 --> 00:28:31,070 Tongue lizard here they are great to 660 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:32,540 have in your backyard they're fantastic 661 00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,570 they eat snails a little sleep I they go 662 00:28:39,910 --> 00:28:37,520 food are they big fan of dog food 663 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:39,920 actually yeah absolutely if you leave 664 00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,810 your dog food out and what type although 665 00:28:44,850 --> 00:28:43,520 but they're not active at night are they 666 00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:44,860 because that's when a reptile the cold 667 00:28:48,820 --> 00:28:46,910 absolutely so these guys you'll find 668 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:48,830 them sometimes at night if after a long 669 00:28:52,270 --> 00:28:50,570 hot day they'll be sitting out on the 670 00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,280 concrete or the asphalt trying to soak 671 00:28:55,660 --> 00:28:54,320 up the rest of that energy that's been 672 00:28:57,220 --> 00:28:55,670 left around you got a pool they might 673 00:28:59,290 --> 00:28:57,230 hang around the pool area where the 674 00:29:01,420 --> 00:28:59,300 rocks are absolutely sometimes you might 675 00:29:02,830 --> 00:29:01,430 even find them just dipping themselves 676 00:29:04,330 --> 00:29:02,840 in a shallow bit of that water just to 677 00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:04,340 get that skin off if they are shedding 678 00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,960 now a lot of people freak out when they 679 00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,520 see em because at first you might think 680 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:08,960 they were snake just briefly couldn't 681 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:10,850 you oh yeah definitely they got such 682 00:29:15,370 --> 00:29:13,490 short legs and they've got a great big 683 00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:15,380 head that resembles that of a Python it 684 00:29:19,780 --> 00:29:17,900 they got need teeth it all yeah actually 685 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:19,790 they have found some nice big sharp 686 00:29:23,890 --> 00:29:21,170 teeth in the back of their mouth which 687 00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:23,900 helps them crush those snails I'm but to 688 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:25,190 actually make sure you are looking at a 689 00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:27,170 lizard and not a snake these guys have 690 00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:28,520 these nice big holes on the side of 691 00:29:32,890 --> 00:29:30,620 their head which are there is snakes 692 00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,900 don't have external ears and what's your 693 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:34,880 what's your blue tongue zone Timmy and 694 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:37,010 you got a lot to keep him warm so he 695 00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:39,210 thinks it's a Sun get some nice and warm 696 00:29:42,260 --> 00:29:40,440 warmth obviously these guys don't 697 00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:42,270 produce their own heat so we need to be 698 00:29:45,380 --> 00:29:43,380 able to help them keep them nice and 699 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:45,390 warm that's why obviously out in a wild 700 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:47,130 I'll sit out on the road keep nice and 701 00:29:50,810 --> 00:29:48,809 warm that way on my some nice hot rocks 702 00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:50,820 yeah they're solar powered animals 703 00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:52,470 aren't they yeah pretty much that's how 704 00:29:56,779 --> 00:29:55,140 it works okay now have the kids been 705 00:29:59,330 --> 00:29:56,789 reacting here have they been going with 706 00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:59,340 the sharks they're actually huge fans of 707 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:01,140 those a lot of kids don't realize that 708 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:03,210 some sharks actually do in fact lay eggs 709 00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:05,610 and so it's a whole new experience for 710 00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,260 some people which is fantastic to see 711 00:30:11,539 --> 00:30:09,840 it's also nice and fun to get them 712 00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:11,549 throwing the hands in the water and 713 00:30:14,570 --> 00:30:13,110 getting a bit wet you know the Bill of 714 00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:14,580 the day it's a good experience for them 715 00:30:19,820 --> 00:30:17,880 I look whenever I see a Van de Graaff 716 00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:19,830 generator I think the banded the same 717 00:30:23,149 --> 00:30:21,630 name but I got to say the actual Van de 718 00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:23,159 Graaff generator is more interesting 719 00:30:26,299 --> 00:30:25,110 than the band of the same name what are 720 00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:26,309 you doing here in a bit of static 721 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:28,260 electricity name to Laura my name is 722 00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:29,850 Laura and you'll hear from you want to 723 00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,740 study physics ok and what are your 724 00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:33,779 teaching is here so we're teaching a 725 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:36,659 little bit of static electricity so same 726 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:38,010 kind of thing when you rub a balloon on 727 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:39,570 your head and your hair sticks to the 728 00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:41,250 balloon and to your hand and stuff like 729 00:30:44,330 --> 00:30:42,600 that same kind of thing is happening 730 00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,340 here we're dumping a heck of a lot of 731 00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:46,440 charge on the top of the van de graaff 732 00:30:50,539 --> 00:30:48,539 generator their thing is that charge 733 00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:50,549 doesn't really like to be next to other 734 00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:52,500 charge so it's going to try and get away 735 00:30:58,279 --> 00:30:55,020 as best it can either through the string 736 00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:58,289 here and up into my hand or if I can get 737 00:31:03,139 --> 00:31:01,559 a little spark happening whoo Hey and of 738 00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:03,149 course with the static electricity the 739 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:04,740 voltage is incredibly high but the 740 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:07,049 amperage is really low yeah so you get a 741 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:09,330 little bit of a shock and you know it's 742 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:11,370 not pleasant um but yeah it doesn't 743 00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:14,370 really harm you badly so what's it like 744 00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:15,960 having a gig where gets shocked a couple 745 00:31:18,529 --> 00:31:17,190 of different times a day with static 746 00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:18,539 electricity it's bad enough walking on 747 00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:21,419 carpet it's not too bad to get used to 748 00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:23,520 it i'm mostly okay with getting shocked 749 00:31:26,659 --> 00:31:25,350 now and one of the kids really getting 750 00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:26,669 into here on the physics table is 751 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:28,289 anybody like have we got as the word 752 00:31:31,940 --> 00:31:30,330 quantum been mentioned yet we're not 753 00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:31,950 quite getting into the quantum stage 754 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:33,720 maybe next next week with the high 755 00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:35,010 school kids 756 00:31:38,780 --> 00:31:36,750 loving the vandegraaff they're loving 757 00:31:40,460 --> 00:31:38,790 we've got some cool polarisers over 758 00:31:42,260 --> 00:31:40,470 there as well we polarize or what some 759 00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:42,270 people like it some people don't oh yeah 760 00:31:46,910 --> 00:31:44,760 that's it that's great it's a great 761 00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:46,920 table you got happening here Jamaican 762 00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:48,630 you've inspired some kids to actually go 763 00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,980 into science or in just a little bit 764 00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:52,080 more because physics physics always 765 00:31:56,420 --> 00:31:53,940 threw me because to me physics is just 766 00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,430 really hard maths and so as soon as I 767 00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,840 came up against that it was like in 768 00:32:01,550 --> 00:31:59,760 chemistry valency levels forget that I 769 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:01,560 lost all interest in chemistry when I 770 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:03,210 couldn't understand valency levels and 771 00:32:06,290 --> 00:32:04,410 my maths weren't good enough to do 772 00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:06,300 physics so how do you overcome that I 773 00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,740 think you just have to show them that 774 00:32:11,390 --> 00:32:10,080 science is actually everywhere in your 775 00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:11,400 everyday life and doesn't have to be 776 00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:13,680 hard it doesn't have to be dry I think a 777 00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:15,150 lot of people find signs to be really 778 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:17,340 boring I think it's just amazing that 779 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:18,930 any time I walk down the street I can 780 00:32:22,220 --> 00:32:20,820 see hundreds of different little physics 781 00:32:24,410 --> 00:32:22,230 experiments happening you start to look 782 00:32:26,660 --> 00:32:24,420 around Newton's laws of motion you can 783 00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,670 just see in most car accidents exactly 784 00:32:30,410 --> 00:32:28,860 yeah and what is the area that 785 00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:30,420 fascinates you with their future 786 00:32:34,220 --> 00:32:32,580 discoveries or an area I believe you're 787 00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,230 personally working on a Grand United 788 00:32:38,180 --> 00:32:36,000 theory of everything out yes definitely 789 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:38,190 yeah well I guess because I've been 790 00:32:41,780 --> 00:32:39,930 talking with my students lately because 791 00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:41,790 I teach physics that'd like tutoring 792 00:32:44,660 --> 00:32:44,040 place I'm really interested to see 793 00:32:46,910 --> 00:32:44,670 what's going to happen with 794 00:32:48,830 --> 00:32:46,920 superconductivity okay if we can get 795 00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:48,840 like room temperature superconductivity 796 00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:50,670 I think that'll be really really 797 00:32:54,410 --> 00:32:53,160 interesting and do it they kept just 798 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:54,420 saying five years of ways that what they 799 00:32:58,460 --> 00:32:56,730 keep saying five years away like 800 00:32:59,960 --> 00:32:58,470 batteries batteries five years away I 801 00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,970 think there is a running joke with 802 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:01,440 fusion reactions at the moment that it's 803 00:33:05,390 --> 00:33:04,170 always 30 years away always so dude 804 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:05,400 that's gonna happen do you think they'll 805 00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:06,930 get the fusion reaction with chemical 806 00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:10,320 lasers or optical lasers oh I don't know 807 00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:11,880 I don't know the answer that question I 808 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:13,260 will go home and work on that right now 809 00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:17,970 okay good day thank you thank you Wow 810 00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:20,580 well we're here and frogs are not on the 811 00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,590 menu doing it naturally get frogs in 812 00:33:25,910 --> 00:33:24,240 australia i will explain to you why 813 00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:25,920 you're going to speak about frogs i'm 814 00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:27,720 dr. jody rally from the australian 815 00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:29,700 museum and i'm an amphibian expert so 816 00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:31,500 that covers the world of frogs the 817 00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:33,240 indigenous population get into our frogs 818 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:35,220 much here or where our frogs not edible 819 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:37,290 I'm not sure I frogs are certainly 820 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:40,890 edible most frogs edible toads are the 821 00:33:43,790 --> 00:33:42,330 things that you have to worry a little 822 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:43,800 bit but there are people around the 823 00:33:48,650 --> 00:33:46,260 world that do eat or use toads as little 824 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:48,660 again yeah yeah so they are uses 825 00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:49,710 traditional medicine but they can also 826 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:51,870 kill you sometimes accidentally so there 827 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:53,850 are cases yeah people will be based on 828 00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:55,530 color like some animals of color as a 829 00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:56,940 warning color because it will kill you 830 00:34:00,980 --> 00:33:58,500 is that the go wood frogs or not it is 831 00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:00,990 is the go with frogs but not all of the 832 00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:03,000 frogs with the venom or the not that I'm 833 00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:05,940 the poison glands are actually brightly 834 00:34:10,220 --> 00:34:07,740 colored so the cane toad for example has 835 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:10,230 some pretty bad toxins in the glands 836 00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:12,090 above its ears and they are pretty 837 00:34:15,830 --> 00:34:13,800 boring brown so they don't warn you with 838 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:15,840 their color like some frogs and toads do 839 00:34:18,830 --> 00:34:17,310 you get sick of people asking me about 840 00:34:21,110 --> 00:34:18,840 the cane toad because that's that's the 841 00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:21,120 hot go to issue with frogs is not really 842 00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:23,070 no in Australia the cane toad is a real 843 00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:25,350 big problem so we definitely should be 844 00:34:29,390 --> 00:34:28,020 asking about it one of the questions I 845 00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,400 get most commonly is what is the 846 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:31,440 difference between a frog and a toad and 847 00:34:36,410 --> 00:34:33,930 actually the answer is is not much 848 00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:36,420 there's 55 different families of frogs 849 00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,760 and toads and and toads it is one of the 850 00:34:43,940 --> 00:34:41,520 55 different family so we don't have any 851 00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:43,950 native toads which is the problem is the 852 00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:45,750 European thing about the difference um 853 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:48,060 well the name toad and frog I think 854 00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:49,530 originally came from Europe when we 855 00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,000 really they really only had like a 856 00:34:54,620 --> 00:34:53,040 couple of frogs and a couple of toads 857 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:54,630 and they look pretty distinct but then 858 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:55,890 when you start going to Central America 859 00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:57,330 different parts of the world you get 860 00:35:00,500 --> 00:34:58,740 frogs that look like toads toads it look 861 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:00,510 like frogs and it's really hard to 862 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:02,850 figure out what's the most exciting part 863 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:04,530 of the world frog wise you've been to 864 00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:06,330 Asia of course South America has very 865 00:35:11,090 --> 00:35:08,040 colorful frogs what's the area that gets 866 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:11,100 frog people excited for appearances at 867 00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:12,810 Central and South America that's where 868 00:35:16,610 --> 00:35:14,520 you get the amazing colors a little dent 869 00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:16,620 abated frogs that 870 00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:18,510 have incredible diversity of colors in 871 00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:19,710 there some places where different 872 00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:21,660 islands just very small islands along 873 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:22,950 the coast have a different colored 874 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:25,290 version of that frog is that to fit in 875 00:35:28,610 --> 00:35:26,730 with that they evolved to fit in with 876 00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:28,620 the plant life is that way no these are 877 00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:30,300 warning colors so I guess it's a little 878 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:31,560 bit warning and maybe it's a little bit 879 00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:33,090 of trusting the opposite sex that they 880 00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:34,920 mix up the colors and sometimes they're 881 00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:36,420 green sometimes they're blue sometimes 882 00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:38,220 they're red it's pretty spectacular but 883 00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:40,380 southeast asian and australian frogs 884 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:42,900 while often not as colorful have some 885 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:44,970 really amazing cave yrs and adaptations 886 00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:46,890 that make them just as fascinating from 887 00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:49,500 a biological standpoint jodie one of the 888 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:50,550 things you told me about frogs that 889 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,570 really excited me is that there are 890 00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:53,760 warning colored frogs in South America 891 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:55,380 but there's other frogs have evolved 892 00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:57,210 that aren't that kind of frog and 893 00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:58,800 they've evolved to learn that if you 894 00:36:01,580 --> 00:36:00,060 have that color the birds don't eat you 895 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:01,590 so you actually aren't poisonous but you 896 00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:04,410 look like you are yes a copying is in 897 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:05,790 the animal world as well and sometimes 898 00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:08,610 it works out if they can just mimic the 899 00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:10,110 one that's poisonous and hope that all 900 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:12,510 the Predators don't cotton on and go oh 901 00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:14,370 you're the one that made me feel sick 902 00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:15,870 and donate them when they're actually 903 00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:17,960 not poisonous at all now do frogs 904 00:36:22,340 --> 00:36:20,190 operate in a mean way like the cuckoo 905 00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,350 bird does like it lays its eggs in other 906 00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:23,760 birds nest and then takes over their 907 00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:25,950 nests to other frogs do nasty demeaning 908 00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:27,480 behavior like that not that we're aware 909 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:29,670 of but we still have so much to learn 910 00:36:33,020 --> 00:36:31,530 about frogs and every productive 911 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:33,030 behavior as creepy as that sounds 912 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:34,890 there's a lot to be observed with frog 913 00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:36,690 reproductive havis only last year we 914 00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:38,940 found the first frog that actually gives 915 00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:42,900 birth to tadpoles instead of eggs so 916 00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:45,180 picking up these things from Indonesia 917 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:47,160 you would see their bellies sort of 918 00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:49,260 wiggling with the things inside them and 919 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:51,030 we realized that actually full of 920 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:53,490 tadpoles so there's all these crazy 921 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:54,810 things and we don't know how they get in 922 00:36:59,150 --> 00:36:56,130 there because frogs usually have 923 00:37:01,340 --> 00:36:59,160 external fertilization so how do the 924 00:37:03,110 --> 00:37:01,350 tadpoles get inside the frog and they're 925 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:03,120 in the overdubs so it look really crazy 926 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:04,710 stuff there's some frogs that transport 927 00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,450 tadpoles on their backs to different 928 00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,520 ponds sometimes a really awesome parents 929 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:10,320 some frogs that build nests for them on 930 00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:12,540 the forest floor like until you know 931 00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:14,040 maybe five years ago I never heard of a 932 00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:16,260 frog that built nests you know that's a 933 00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:17,940 bird thing and also it sounds like 934 00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:19,830 that's a great place to get eating me on 935 00:37:23,570 --> 00:37:21,390 the floor the florist yeah there's a lot 936 00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:23,580 less fish and invertebrate predators 937 00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:25,020 there so if you make your own little 938 00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:26,790 hole you don't get giant fish eating 939 00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:28,320 your tadpoles especially if you stick 940 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:29,910 around and defend those little nests 941 00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:32,130 like the male's do then they actually 942 00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:35,220 they do some serious parental can defend 943 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:36,720 their nests what what's the Frog going 944 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:38,370 to give you give you a nasty gum or what 945 00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:40,290 what do they do the frogs I'm talking 946 00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:42,660 about actually fanged frogs so the males 947 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:44,460 have tiny little they're not actually 948 00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:46,290 teeth but little bone projections on 949 00:37:50,090 --> 00:37:48,060 their bottom jaw and actually give you a 950 00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:50,100 little nip I've never been bitten and I 951 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:52,020 don't know if they would try a human but 952 00:37:54,980 --> 00:37:53,610 if it was you know another frog coming 953 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:54,990 along or a snake they might give it a go 954 00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:57,090 now which science week what it takes a 955 00:38:00,770 --> 00:37:58,740 big challenge of science in Australia at 956 00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:00,780 the moment that's a really tough 957 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:03,630 question funding and and obviously the 958 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:05,970 public appreciation of science is you 959 00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:07,530 know understanding of how important it 960 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:09,300 is how while is and how exciting it is 961 00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:11,490 so I think we need to do a lot better 962 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:15,240 job as scientists to communicate what we 963 00:38:19,070 --> 00:38:17,430 do why it's important and why it's 964 00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:19,080 exciting to get people a little bit more 965 00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:22,110 passionate about it and this passionate 966 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:23,790 is we are okay but what about the 967 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:25,530 encroachment of pseudoscience is that 968 00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,650 worried at all yeah definitely I mean 969 00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:30,000 especially with the internet social 970 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:32,220 media and the inability to see what's 971 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:34,890 real information versus made-up stuff it 972 00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:36,570 is a little bit tricky so I don't think 973 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:37,950 that that is a problem and where can 974 00:38:40,910 --> 00:38:39,090 people go and find out more about what 975 00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:40,920 you get up to check out the Australian 976 00:38:45,140 --> 00:38:43,950 Museum website and if you've you look 977 00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:45,150 four frogs on there you'll find 978 00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:46,950 something about me thank you dr. Joe D 979 00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:50,220 thank you very much so I wonder along 980 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:51,960 here and I'm seeing some what looks like 981 00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:54,330 some lego robots doing something quite 982 00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:56,040 complicated who've we got here and what 983 00:39:02,090 --> 00:38:58,650 are you doing so this is tableware 984 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:02,100 showing off FIRST LEGO League work group 985 00:39:06,830 --> 00:39:04,170 from Macquarie University and first 986 00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:06,840 Australia first is the organization that 987 00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:09,060 runs first lego league so this is using 988 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:12,180 lego mindstorms robots and kids build 989 00:39:17,230 --> 00:39:14,490 the robots program them and have them 990 00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:17,240 achieve series of tasks autonomously 991 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:19,500 mine song actually runs over linux-based 992 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:21,570 operating systems it is its own custom 993 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:23,730 lego operating system so there's no 994 00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:25,410 there's no like clone normal windows 995 00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:26,790 operating system running out that it's 996 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:28,260 kind of about a hardware level or runs 997 00:39:33,590 --> 00:39:30,690 out and and how hard or easy is it to 998 00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:33,600 code for oh there's two main ways you 999 00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,820 can program this you can code in the 1000 00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:38,160 typical style which is like a word or 1001 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:40,020 language based programming language you 1002 00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:41,730 can also use a graphical language called 1003 00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:45,060 the ev3 software suite for the young 1004 00:39:48,020 --> 00:39:46,380 years we recommend that because it's 1005 00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:48,030 more about the graphical thing and it's 1006 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:49,440 easy to help you along the lines of the 1007 00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:50,970 visual sort of context about programming 1008 00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:53,100 is about so the wire loops and moving 1009 00:39:57,980 --> 00:39:55,740 motors or sensories are based on color 1010 00:39:59,570 --> 00:39:57,990 so it's very easy for young mind to get 1011 00:40:01,849 --> 00:39:59,580 around that yeah I'm just looking here 1012 00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:01,859 and you've got green and red and black 1013 00:40:06,859 --> 00:40:04,440 stripes on a large table and what is the 1014 00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:06,869 what is the device the robot being 1015 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:09,480 taught to do and asked to do yeah so in 1016 00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:10,890 this case we're running sort of two main 1017 00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:13,470 programs the first one is that you can 1018 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:14,760 see here unfortunately audience on the 1019 00:40:18,740 --> 00:40:15,930 other side can't see this but we have a 1020 00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:18,750 door here and the robot is actually 1021 00:40:22,070 --> 00:40:20,040 programmed to open this door and 1022 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:22,080 navigate to what we call is searching 1023 00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:23,130 over there which is just pushing a 1024 00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,780 little bar and those colors you see 1025 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:26,400 they've got the three colors they're red 1026 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:28,170 yellow blue it's going to spin that 1027 00:40:31,340 --> 00:40:30,330 around and from that we can figure out 1028 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:31,350 which of those colors we need to 1029 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:33,810 retrieve from the holes underneath so 1030 00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:35,010 that's the first thought of challenges 1031 00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:36,540 robot does it uses the red and black 1032 00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:38,670 lines on the table here to help it 1033 00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,470 navigate around the table as well as 1034 00:40:44,090 --> 00:40:42,480 using the touch sensors on the walls so 1035 00:40:46,070 --> 00:40:44,100 it's a very useful use of sensors and 1036 00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:46,080 you've seen the kids light up when they 1037 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:48,359 see the whole thing do you think many of 1038 00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:49,650 them will make the leak to actually 1039 00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:51,300 doing something with it or they find it 1040 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:53,460 a bit daunting it can be very daunting 1041 00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,410 for a lot of the younger ages at first 1042 00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,119 there are a lot of complicated side 1043 00:41:00,830 --> 00:41:00,000 challenges in the field here what we try 1044 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:00,840 and recommend is you look for the 1045 00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:02,730 easiest ones because if you start from 1046 00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:04,080 his simple basis you can always make 1047 00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,430 things more complicated on a simple 1048 00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:08,160 stance and really if you're looking to 1049 00:41:11,180 --> 00:41:10,140 make a reliable complex system what are 1050 00:41:12,830 --> 00:41:11,190 you really looking for is add a lot of 1051 00:41:14,330 --> 00:41:12,840 simple things together to make them in 1052 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:14,340 complicated but still relying on those 1053 00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,290 sort of simple processes okay i guess 1054 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:18,720 most kids want the robots to fight yeah 1055 00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:20,280 that seems to be a very common fight 1056 00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:21,990 fight fight and yeah will they do that 1057 00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,660 or is that discouraged well on this 1058 00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:27,119 order competition it's not they don't 1059 00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:28,350 have any interaction between other 1060 00:41:33,590 --> 00:41:30,119 robots but we do have other to tears 1061 00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:33,600 with FTC and frc those two are better 1062 00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:36,270 news laker there if you step up so they 1063 00:41:38,839 --> 00:41:37,440 have interactions when ft 1064 00:41:41,059 --> 00:41:38,849 see you have four robots on revealed at 1065 00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,069 one time instead of the one you have two 1066 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:42,720 modes you have autonomous and you've got 1067 00:41:46,819 --> 00:41:44,730 something called tell you up so at this 1068 00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:46,829 level at our f alone you really only 1069 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:48,569 have the autonomous sort of programs we 1070 00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,310 you hit it once and it goes and if it 1071 00:41:56,059 --> 00:41:53,040 doesn't get back to base oops ooh ok but 1072 00:41:57,319 --> 00:41:56,069 with a sec you get to a period where you 1073 00:41:59,059 --> 00:41:57,329 can actually control it using a joystick 1074 00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,069 if people want to find out more about 1075 00:42:03,050 --> 00:42:01,920 the the processing in the and the leader 1076 00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:03,060 in here where can people find this 1077 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:05,880 online and about you guys yep so so my 1078 00:42:10,220 --> 00:42:08,010 name is Griff worm from vs australia our 1079 00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:10,230 website is first australia org you can 1080 00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,880 find the programs that we do here in 1081 00:42:16,940 --> 00:42:14,400 australia online that's junior FLL FLL 1082 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:16,950 FTC and frc you can find more about the 1083 00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:19,410 international program at us first dog or 1084 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:21,510 us first dog and we have all of our 1085 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:23,730 programs up their own line and get on to 1086 00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:25,410 youtube and have a look at the big dog 1087 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:27,000 in the mule programs yeah they're very 1088 00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:33,930 impressive piece of the kit I may not 1089 00:42:37,819 --> 00:42:36,300 here we are the school kids are coming 1090 00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:37,829 in now for the next mystery 1091 00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:39,240 investigators show the first performer 1092 00:42:41,380 --> 00:42:40,380 turn very well this is going to be an 1093 00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:41,390 interesting show because we've got 1094 00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,760 infant school kids and we've got private 1095 00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:47,040 school senior kids together so you know 1096 00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:48,359 they could start a fight I don't know 1097 00:42:52,849 --> 00:42:49,859 who's going to win it's a big mixture of 1098 00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:52,859 it time for us to perform and the 1099 00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:54,390 private school kids that the private 1100 00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,740 school kids look like they've extras 1101 00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:57,359 from Picnic at Hanging Rock don't they I 1102 00:43:01,880 --> 00:42:59,220 do they've got the classic happen 1103 00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:01,890 uniform happening yep hats it's 1104 00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:39,430 that's where 1105 00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:44,360 first time ministry investigator later 1106 00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:47,070 these were in strangely unusual and 1107 00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:50,480 we're going to be looking at how old 1108 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:00,720 fool shall we we have to be shooting 1109 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:03,510 this is my name juju saunas and over 1110 00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:05,970 there is my range may die and I the 1111 00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:13,380 occupation just the supplementary show 1112 00:44:18,020 --> 00:44:15,660 it very well and we did lots of things 1113 00:44:21,110 --> 00:44:18,030 like water divining and we talked about 1114 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:21,120 optical illusions and then came the bed 1115 00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:23,970 of nails which we pulled out I lay down 1116 00:44:54,459 --> 00:44:38,569 okay Maura can you come on down there 1117 00:44:54,469 --> 00:45:41,730 one thing 1118 00:45:48,910 --> 00:45:45,280 and now we have some news and events 1119 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:48,920 from around the world Christ Church in 1120 00:45:53,380 --> 00:45:50,330 New Zealand the beautiful city of 1121 00:45:56,260 --> 00:45:53,390 christchurch new zealand will be hosting 1122 00:45:58,720 --> 00:45:56,270 this year's New Zealand skeptics 1123 00:46:02,140 --> 00:45:58,730 conference now that's on from November 1124 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:02,150 the 20th to the 22nd and it's an event 1125 00:46:07,810 --> 00:46:04,250 not to be missed if you're in New 1126 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:07,820 Zealand or if you wanna wear well cross 1127 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:10,610 the ditch from australia for more 1128 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:13,610 information just head to conference dot 1129 00:46:21,130 --> 00:46:17,690 skeptics dot and z that's the new 1130 00:46:24,460 --> 00:46:21,140 zealand skeptics conference for 2015 in 1131 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:24,470 christchurch from the 20th to the 22nd 1132 00:46:32,620 --> 00:46:29,330 of November I'm delighted to say that 1133 00:46:35,890 --> 00:46:32,630 the discovery center in Bendigo reached 1134 00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:35,900 their funding goal and can carry on for 1135 00:46:39,730 --> 00:46:38,180 the moment and they want you to know 1136 00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:39,740 that they have an interesting event 1137 00:46:44,770 --> 00:46:42,560 coming up to celebrate science week they 1138 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:44,780 are holding an adults-only evening on 1139 00:46:49,410 --> 00:46:46,970 the twenty first of August now this 1140 00:46:53,590 --> 00:46:49,420 includes Ashley Burnett Show appearance 1141 00:46:59,230 --> 00:46:53,600 versus reality and a dinner details can 1142 00:47:02,440 --> 00:46:59,240 be found wws coverage asna you and just 1143 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:02,450 click the events link and don't forget 1144 00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:04,850 for our friends in camera in the 1145 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:07,310 Australian Capital Territory there's a 1146 00:47:12,490 --> 00:47:09,650 free screening of an honest liar on 1147 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:12,500 Sunday the 23rd of August at King 1148 00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,650 o'malley's irish pub also that weekend 1149 00:47:22,810 --> 00:47:18,560 on the twenty first there's the Canberra 1150 00:47:25,690 --> 00:47:22,820 psychic Expo who I guess it's their 1151 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:25,700 version of mind-body wallet for more 1152 00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:28,610 information head to meetup com 1153 00:47:47,269 --> 00:47:31,640 and look for social skeptics Canberra 1154 00:47:54,289 --> 00:47:52,279 ah well that was a big show may not 1155 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:54,299 thank you for again for being part of 1156 00:47:57,529 --> 00:47:56,130 the mystery investigators and thank you 1157 00:47:58,759 --> 00:47:57,539 everybody it's science we call the 1158 00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:58,769 scientists who spoke to me all the 1159 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:00,359 people that spoke to me all the kids 1160 00:48:02,899 --> 00:48:01,890 that spoke to me and Chuck stuff at me 1161 00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:02,909 in the street and thank you to the 1162 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:04,140 Japanese tourists that were very 1163 00:48:07,249 --> 00:48:05,729 generous when I was out there in the 1164 00:48:09,289 --> 00:48:07,259 Godzilla costume it's amazing it really 1165 00:48:11,269 --> 00:48:09,299 it really resonates with the culture it 1166 00:48:13,759 --> 00:48:11,279 really does we have to pack up now we 1167 00:48:16,759 --> 00:48:13,769 have to get these divining rods and look 1168 00:48:19,999 --> 00:48:16,769 I still got some left over which I 1169 00:48:22,459 --> 00:48:20,009 haven't broken yet but yeah check up the 1170 00:48:24,019 --> 00:48:22,469 show and then hopefully do it again soon 1171 00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:24,029 that's for those people who are 1172 00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:26,339 interested we do it in Sydney it's mr. 1173 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:27,689 investigators and you can find that at 1174 00:48:32,059 --> 00:48:30,089 mystery investigators com yeah because I 1175 00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:32,069 have to have some fun doing some science 1176 00:48:35,209 --> 00:48:34,140 educating and also have we broken the 1177 00:48:37,339 --> 00:48:35,219 news to the people that were going to be 1178 00:48:38,959 --> 00:48:37,349 at the skeptics conference we have 1179 00:48:41,899 --> 00:48:38,969 indeed yes the Australian skeptics 1180 00:48:43,339 --> 00:48:41,909 National Convention are the well the 1181 00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:43,349 sixteenth seventeenth and eighteenth I 1182 00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:45,089 think we can check that of October in 1183 00:48:49,699 --> 00:48:47,849 Brisbane you and i'll be there are Joe 1184 00:48:51,019 --> 00:48:49,709 alabaster will be there Heidi will be 1185 00:48:53,479 --> 00:48:51,029 there lots of people from the skeptics 1186 00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:53,489 owner answer give and look out that 1187 00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,140 should be a lot of fun and the main 1188 00:48:58,999 --> 00:48:56,880 reason I'm traveling across straight 1189 00:49:00,349 --> 00:48:59,009 lines to go to Brisbane for the skeptic 1190 00:49:02,179 --> 00:49:00,359 compasses I really want to have a 1191 00:49:04,489 --> 00:49:02,189 bourbon or perhaps he's a scotch drinker 1192 00:49:07,249 --> 00:49:04,499 with joe Nichols I'm sure you will and 1193 00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:07,259 it's a big thank you again to skeptics 1194 00:49:12,259 --> 00:49:10,400 on listeners your small weekly 1195 00:49:14,539 --> 00:49:12,269 contributions to the skeptics own via 1196 00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:14,549 paypal actually mean we can fund 1197 00:49:18,469 --> 00:49:16,859 Maynard's trip to visit the conference 1198 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:18,479 and I'll be paying for the drinks myself 1199 00:49:22,189 --> 00:49:19,650 none of your money will be going on that 1200 00:49:23,959 --> 00:49:22,199 sort of frivolous behavior but look to 1201 00:49:25,549 --> 00:49:23,969 borrow a line from some of the podcasts 1202 00:49:28,219 --> 00:49:25,559 that I listened to if you don't 1203 00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:28,229 contribute to podcasting even a small 1204 00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:30,209 way you can't automatically expect it to 1205 00:49:34,909 --> 00:49:33,089 be there tomorrow yeah it's true we do 1206 00:49:36,439 --> 00:49:34,919 our best and again it's thank you to 1207 00:49:38,209 --> 00:49:36,449 listeners who do contribute that the 1208 00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:38,219 show keeps going we can buy equipment 1209 00:49:43,489 --> 00:49:41,880 for our reporters and as I say we can do 1210 00:49:45,409 --> 00:49:43,499 things like fly you up to Brisbane to be 1211 00:49:47,539 --> 00:49:45,419 part of the convention and interview 1212 00:49:49,789 --> 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